How to Live as Physically Immortal
An Interview with Mony Vital, Ph.D.
by Kirstin Miller
for The Psychic Reader, March 99
We talk about time a lot. Usually,
were complaining to each other that we dont have enough of
it. In the back of our minds, we cant see how well ever be
able to squeeze in everything we want to experience before our
time is up and were, you know, dead.
If we enjoy living, time keeps getting more precious as we
march on towards the grave. We dont want to waste it. On the
other hand, if we dont particularly like our life experience,
we look forward to either better times in heaven, or having
another go of it in some other incarnation. But whether we
love life or just tolerate it, most of us would agree that its
going to end at some point.
So, for most of us, the concept of living forever (in the
same body) isnt even a logical topic for discussion.
Immortality is something that concerns the undead vampires and
ghoulish creatures, ala Bram Stocker and Anne Rice novels.
Lets face it, death is just a fact of life.
Or is it?
What is death, anyway? Is it a concept, or purely a
biological outcome of the human condition? What do we mean by
life expectancy an expectation, an educated guess, a
statistical degree of probability? What if we all expected to
live for, say, five or six hundred years? Or forever?
I recently met a man who does expect to live forever. Mony
Vital, Ph. D., is the author of Life Unlimited, An
Exploration of Physical Immortality as Clinical and
Therapeutic Model. His book explains how to go about
living as though you're never going to die. Faraels views on
life and death definitely challenge the basic tenants of our
present cultural mindset. If nothing else, our conversation
forced me to take a closer look at some of the core beliefs on
which I base my reality.
Lately, Ive even been thinking: What if I could
live forever or at least three or four hundred years? Maybe,
just maybe, there really are no limits....
Kirstin: Whats our current take on life?
Vital: The general belief right now is that we have no
choice but to end up old and dead. These beliefs that we
accept are cultural beliefs. They work for the culture.
However, as individual human beings, its not practical for us
to be living within a framework of death.
You talk about our struggle to cope within this cultural
mindset. As a result, you say that we exist in a constant
state of unease physically, mentally and emotionally. Can you
comment some more?
The belief in death is the deepest and most profound belief
we ever take on. Once we accept this, it becomes part of the
blueprint of our bodies. Every cell, every action we take, is
connected to this belief. So basically, whats happening to us
is that we are not able to function as alive humans. Instead,
were functioning as dying beings. That itself promotes decay
and dysfunction in the body, whether its mental, emotional or
So we have programmed our bodies to operate within a
specific framework of time. What does the body believe before
it gets programmed? A baby is born
free. A little child doesnt know anything about death. They
have no idea. They are alive, they have lots of spirit; as a
matter of fact, to introduce themselves they sometimes take
their clothes off and display themselves naked to their
guests! Thats because theyre connected to their bodies.
However, the moment they start learning about the cultural
beliefs of aging and death, they start fearing life. The way
the system works, once we get the belief, it goes into the
subconscious. The subconscious affects the immune system
directly. Ive found out that we actually have two immune
systems: a primary and a secondary. This will be proven years
from now. The second immune system is a very fluid system that
can instantly effect our behavior physically and emotionally.
Within minutes of accepting an idea, we can switch and change
the totality of our energy. At the same time, we can reverse
whatever we brought in previously. This secondary system is
very powerful. Its wonderful, actually, because it works for
us as much as it works against us.
Its a very interesting
Its definitely an eyebrow raising statement. My doctorate
is in clinical hypnosis. And after doing this work for many
years, I realized that if I can change the belief about a
behavior, of the function or dysfunction, I can change the
outcome of that behavior. If I can do it with ease for small
things, I can do it with the larger view of the human. Its all
built on a belief system. No human can die unless they believe
Thats hard to believe! But then, in the beginnings of the
Biblical era, people seemed to live four and five hundred
years on average.
Everybody before Abraham lived hundreds of years. You want
to know why? Its because they didnt believe in death. It
wasnt an issue. It wasnt discussed. They just lived in the
given moment and enjoyed their lives. Any death that occurred
was not from age, but from accident. Abraham was the turning
point in the course of human development. He created organized
religion as we know it. As a matter of fact, his action is the
number one cause of death in the human. Ill explains that to
you: Abraham brought two aspects of life into one place. He
brought the concepts of God and death together. All organized
religion, or any sect, or any group of people, must have that
element to become organized.
And to control.
Yes. You cannot be a group unless you have those two issues
available to you together. Separately, they dont work. God by
itself has nothing to do with death. Death by itself has
nothing to do with God. But brought together, the death issue
is the hammer and God is the carrot. Its a system created to
scare you, to make a need for you to obey. It uses fear and
intimidation, and on the other hand, uses God as the savior,
as the figure of He who will take care of
But He wont really reward you until after youre dead,
Yes. This system is very efficient. Its the most productive
marketing tool ever created in human history. Theres been no
adjustment needed from the time of Abraham until
What about the other religions?
Theyre all the same. Even the beliefs of tribal people
they have to believe in death and in God. Those two
So I dont suppose you have a religion.
Yes, this is the only philosophy that does not include
death in it. Therefore, it is not a religion, because you
cannot have a religion thats not based on death. My belief is
based only on life. I do not accept death as a possibility; in
my life or anybody elses life, unless that person accepts it,
The prevailing attitudes of the culture right now are
centered on modifying their stand about departure from this
life. Many people are converting to other religions. They are
confused. They cant find answers, so they switch from one
religion to another. But it doesnt help. Its only the
stories that are different. The outcome is all the
What are we looking for?
Once a person gives up their physical body option in favor
of only a spiritual option, theyve already decided theyre
going to die. Therefore, the only safe place left to go is
into the mind. Then its only a matter of time before the body
begins to deteriorate. So it really doesnt matter what
religion a person is accepting.
Just variations on a theme...
Once you decide something, the body will create it for you.
Every time you say something to your subconscious, your
subconscious prepares you to do that. The job of the
subconscious is to facilitate all your wishes, needs and
beliefs. If we want to die, then we facilitate this process.
Actually, the body already knows the date of its death. Weve
all thought about it, weve seen it in visions, weve made a
decision about it according to the belief system that we
When do we make this decision?
Probably in the teen age years. However, we can change
those conditions. We can change our view of death. All we have
to do is change our perception of who we are. We can rid the
death beliefs from our bodies.
Thats the process you write about in Life
LAPI. Its a
Can you talk about some of the components?
To start with, you have to discard all death beliefs from
your body. You have to deprogram your body: physically,
mentally, and emotionally. You have to get the beliefs of
death out of every cell. Then, you have to bring in beliefs of
life. You see, in this culture, everybody assumes we are alive
just because were breathing. And thats totally and absolutely
not true. This is only a belief. Theres no such thing as
aging either. Aging is just a nice word for this person is
dying. The culture finds nice words so as not to offend or
disturb that person in the process of dying that person who
has no future, no possibility. There is only pretending,
misery and pain.
Softened by material comforts.
Absolutely. Unfortunately, thats the stereotype of people
who have no future. You must have a future every day! So, to
go back to your question. We must choose to be alive every
day. We must make that choice! You see, if we dont make the
choice, we are accepting the cultural belief. We are running
on a default mode. Its like a computer. If you dont choose,
the computer chooses for you.
But isnt that sort of an overwhelming task? Its a pretty
well ingrained belief. At least, theres lots of evidence out
there in favor of the certainty of death.
Well, lets talk about that. Whats important to us? Is the
culture more important than you? You see, you have to make a
distinction here, a definition of who you are. Who controls
you? Are you going to control yourself as a free and unique
human being? Or are you going to be like a sheep, following
the leader? Of course, if you are thinking differently and
behaving differently, people are going to look at you like an
abhorrent, like a stranger, like a freak. And they will be
afraid of you because they dont know about you. People want
to be comfortable.
They want a group agreement about how its going to
They all want to agree. If they dont feel comfortable with
it, then theres something wrong with you and theyre shy of
you. I say to consider this: What are the possibilities? What
are the choices? How do you want to take care of yourself? Im
here for me, because the only changes I can make are within
me. I cant change you or anybody else.
This culture that
we live in is a culture of death. I have nothing against it.
Im part of the culture. I love the people here. This is my
world. But I can look at it from another point of view and
give you my observations.
But you must care about others.
Caring is one thing. But changing reality I can only do
within myself. I can change my behavior. I can change my
cells. I can change my beliefs. I can change my actions. But I
cant do it in anybody else. Each one of us as an individual.
But thats not the belief of the culture. The culture says
that we must be responsible for everybody else. Thats one of
the beliefs that keep us down. Its not good for our health.
Its good for the cultural health, but its not good for the
Were born, we get an education and then a job so we can buy
things. Then were usually allowed to have a little fun before
we get really old.
We live in fear, because were afraid were not going to live
as long as we need to live. Were constantly reminded of our
mortality. And that in itself keeps us from being an alive
If we all thought we were going to live forever, or at
least for a few hundred years, I think wed treat this place,
this planet, differently.
Thats right. Wed treat the planet differently; wed treat
each other differently too. Most people, when I tell them Im
speaking about physical immortality, their first reaction is,
Oh no, I dont want to be alive, I want to leave because I
don't really like my life. Maybe they think if they leave and
come back with a new body they wont have any more problems.
This is because theyve discarded the physical option in favor
of a spiritual solution. Now, Ill ask you: Are we a spiritual
being have a physical experience, or are we a physical being
with a spiritual attribute? I dont know. Which ever it is, we
do know we belong to that one body. Once we give up the
physical option, thats it for that body. Once were dead, we
dont know whats really going to happen, because nobody has
come back from the dead to tell us. All the beliefs we have
about the afterlife are based on myths. They are beliefs. And
all beliefs are baseless. If you look in the dictionary under
belief, youll see its acceptance without complete certainty.
However, once we accept a belief as a truth, we project it
outward and it becomes our experience.
So youre saying the body is the only sure
The body is the only thing we have that contains all of
us. All of our energy is in the body. Our mind, our
spirituality, our organs, everything is housed in this body of
ours. We have to treat our body as though its a kingdom.
Because without a body, who are we, really?
Deepak Chopra talks about the mind-body connection and
people are listening to him. Do you agree that this dialogue
is becoming more mainstream?
A little bit. Deepak started this conversation. He brought
to our consciousness new possibilities and asked very
beautiful questions. For example, he asks: If our bodies are
reproducing our organs every few months, why do the same
dysfunctions appear in the organs again over time? What
controls this? Our brain? What is it? What keeps this
dysfunction alive in the new organ?
The answer is, we have not changed the beliefs and so the
organ cannot change. If a person changes his beliefs about
himself long enough to have a cycle of growth, then the new
organ can replace itself without the
I think most people would call that a
The medical community uses this term so they dont have to
You say that when living as physically immortal, fun and
joy are standard choices, and your work should be something
that you love, otherwise its not an option.
Physical Immortality is a process where we are free to
choose. At times, you have to practically step out of your
body to have the power and the vantage point of looking down
at yourself. You have to see yourself in the context of your
environment, your neighborhood, your city, your country, with
your people. Look at how you are acting. How is your life? Is
this what you need? Make choices from that place, where you
can see the bigger picture, from a place wheres there a
future for you to look at. As our culture operates right now,
we have no vision of the future because everything operates
within the cultural beliefs.
There are so many limits.
Its all about limits. We are so limited that we cant even
see the limits themselves! You really cannot ask questions if
you dont know what they are. They are not available to you.
You must know about them to learn about them. In the accepted
realm most of us live in, we dont know what we dont know.
And of course, this culture does not look very nicely on
people who speak of physical immortality. Its
Its blasphemy, and this is a taboo conversation, because we
must have God involved and death involved. Now, I believe in
God. I totally believe in God. Im connected to God. I speak
to God every day. I tell my Creator everything that Im going
to do. But I must make the decision for myself first. I choose
what I want to do, then I get the Creators okay on it. Im not
asking the Creator to do it for me. I make my own decisions.
The bottom line is, if I dont take care of me, nobody
The culture really doesnt care about your well being. The
doctor doesnt. Its a business. Medicine doesnt care if
youre healed or not. The only person who really cares is you
about you, for you. You have to make those decisions. We give
our power away. We give 20% to the clergy, 40% to God, and the
rest we give to the doctor!
So besides changing our beliefs, what does living as though
physically immortal entail? Any special
Well, like I mentioned, to start with you have to reprogram
your belief system.
That might take awhile...
Its an ongoing process. Its a life work, but its not a hard
work. Theres no investment; you dont have to buy anything.
There are no pills or vitamins involved. Its all about you
being you. Affirm yourself every morning. Say to yourself, I
love you, Ill takes care of you, Ill makes you feel safe and
happy. That means all day, the subconscious is going to try to
make you feel good. If you dont do that and youre listening
to the radio, all youre going to hear is how many people died
in car accidents or how bad the traffic is. Thats going to
set the tone for your day. You are going to be depressed from
the get go. Same with TV. All theyre doing is getting your
mind off your own problems. Thats what its set up to do. Its
called Soft Mind Control. The industry uses that term. Thats
how they sell you things. If you go to church, its a deeper
mind control. There's an instant altered state when you walk
into a church or synagogue or mosque. So what we need to do is
get rid of the death beliefs, affirms our lives every day, and
clear up our childhood trauma. This is what holds us connected
to our death beliefs and dysfunctions.
What do you mean by childhood traumas? Do they have to be
really bad or does everyone have them?
Well, theyre no such things as a perfect childhood. Issues
and events arise, and we make decisions accordingly. We have
to clear them so we can make decisions knowing that the past
is not affecting our vision. We dont want to cloud our vision
of the future by bringing the pasts influence into
But theres always going to be traces of the past
The past is always with us. We cant get rid of it, we cant
change it. But we can make it work for us. Thats one of my
specialties. I do childhood trauma clearing. I do not do
psychotherapy or counseling. I stick to this specific process.
Right now I work with energy medicine. Its very effective and
very fruitful. I get excellent results.
Now that you are reprogrammed and clear of trauma, how do
you think about life? Do you see things in big huge chunks of
time? How do you go through your day?
I affirm myself every morning. I tell myself how much I
love myself, how much I appreciate my life. That sets the tone
for my day. So I get up with energy and vitality. Time is not
an issue. Im not in a hurry.
Do you make plans?
I make lots of plans. Absolute plans. Im good at counting
on time when I make a plan. Theres no rush. I can plan years
in advance. I can see myself in one hundred years two hundred
years into the future and more.
We need to see ourselves alive in the future. Thats the
key. You see, most people who believe in death cant see into
the future. When I ask a person at the age of fifty to close
his eyes and look twenty years down the road, hes probably
going to say hes old, sick or dead. He has no vision of the
future for himself. From that moment on, hes practically dead
already. But if he changes that, if he says, what are my
possibilities? Can I live thirty more years, or more? If he
can, his subconscious is gong to accept this more beautiful
vision. Its called a Future Self vision. We can personally
design the way we look, the way we feel, our hobbies...all in
the vision. If there is no vision, there is
Nowhere to go.... A dead end.
You must have a dream, a vision, for it to happen. You must
call it by name. If there is no name to it or a description,
its not there. Its nonexistent. So this one thing you always
have to do. You have to see it, visualize it, call it, name
it, make it happen.
Not just wish for it.
Oh no. Make it happen. You see, the universe will let you
have everything and anything you want if you know what you
want. Most people do not know what to request in their life.
They accept the culture that says they must live in pain and
misery. They think thats okay because thats whats expected
from them and because thats the way of God. Thats totally
untrue. I dont see why anybody in their right mind would
accept pain and misery and say thats okay.
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